Two giant slow moving planets are in a tense square and will be for some time to come. These two planets represent a dichotomy of drive and desire. Saturn wants to resolve and correct, while Neptune wants to obfuscate and distract. How do we reconcile this disparity? When we glance out at the world’s stage we see this playing out in every corner where conflict reigns. Listen as host and astrologer speaks with colleagues Erin Sullivan and Michael Lutin on this daunting alignment. Both Lutin and Sullivan are known for their long-term views of the planet and are highly regarded as experts in the observation of the cosmos. This was recorded with a Skype conference call and there are some technical flaws, but the information remains pertinent.